LouisEP, Jul 9, 2019 #1 + Quote Reply Comment: I got some of these coins willing to sell for 1200, inspection before buy, Comment: . Type III countermark on a 1/2 cut 1788 Mexico City 8 Reales of Charles III. If you're interested contact me. A little additional update on my coin,see my posts above. Right Now on eBay. Counterfeit 8 reale? - NGC Coin Collectors Chat Boards Who knows how many collectors you might save from making a costly mistake with it! Insurgent coins were minted at various locations including Nueva Galicia, Oaxaca, Puebla and Veracruz. Since then, I've researched on ebay and found listings for fake reals. On a genuine Mexico City 8 reales from 1805 only the assayer's initials T and H appear. I especially recommend the "1789 8 Reales" thread. $199.00. Between 1821 and 1823, coins were issued by the government of Agustn de Iturbide. Home Mexico 8 Reales Mexico 8 Reales. When you click on links to various merchants on this site and make a purchase, this can result in this site earning a commission. 1882-Zs JS Mexico 8 Reales Chopmarked Zacatecas Silver Coin. My first impression is the edge is wrong. It took 0.19 seconds to rattle this change. It almost looks like he got suckered himself into buying a lot of that junk and is just trying to peddle it to get rid of it. Copper coins for 116, 18 and 14 real were issued both by the Federal government at the Mexico City mint and by the state governments at various mints around the country. 1970 S Lincoln Memorial Cent RPM Possibly, Please Help. I have a 1888 Libertad 8 Reales and the edge made me wonder on a few occasions whether it was real. The mint location, Mexico City, did produce eight reales that year but you are correct in that the assayer's initials FT were last used in 1803. Does the entire perimeter look this good? You're holding in your hand right, I found something similar in a mixed bag of foreign coins. Comment: This is a fake! JavaScript is disabled. Mexico FIRST REPUBLIC 8 Reales KM 377.13 Prices & Values | NGC "Mike has been given the 20 clues that I developed for identifying suspicious coins. 1882. Coinflation. Also, the contrast of the strikes for the bust and the lettering offer a little bit of insight. Nutmeg Coin, October 15, 2015, I listed this 1809 8 reale recently on ebay and an apparent expert on counterfeits on these contacted me showing interest: http://www.ebay.com/itm/8-Reales-1809-MEXICAN-VF-IN-PRESENTATION-CASE-/231720543496?ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:US:1123. But I repeat myself.". If the coin was real and re-edged or if it is just an unknown type of counterfeit made in Spain then this does point to the fact that Colonial 8's were well known on the continent. I have the attached edge pictures of what is alleged to be an 8 Reales Charles III Madrid bust type. 8 Reales Grade XF 40 Colonial Mexico Coins (Pre - 1821) Additional site navigation. It looks like you're new here. Error On Salt Bay River Quarter US Virgin Islands Gash In Washington's Face Photo Tutorials Help 1970 S Lincoln Memorial Penny Large Or Small Date? Buy Spanish Col Vintage Coins 1/2, 1, 2, 4, 8 Reales | APMEX First of all im a newbie at coin collecting and just getting into the hobby, I purchased a Mexican 8 Reales 1882 Silver Coin for about $23.00 and i was content with my purchase but recently ive been reading alot about all these scams, frauds, & fake coins. If this coin were of an alloy 0.900 silver with say copper I would expect a higher density. The Royalist issued coins at mints in Chihuahua, Durango, Guadalajara, Guanajuato, Nueva Viscaya, Oaxaca, Real del Catorce, San Fernando de Bexar, San Luis Potos, Sombrerete, Valladolid Michoacn and Zacatecas. Centenario Coin Copy in Solid Yellow 14k Gold 50 Pesos 1947 Mexico/Mexican Coin. Quick Links: Featuring NGC & PCGS certified Mexican Colonial & Republic quatlity Silver 8 reales coin with many rare dates and mints represented! Numismatic specification data and valuation estimates provided by Active Interest Medias. Also, on that 1804 Bust Dollar, he is in violation of eBay's Terms of Service by not listing "Copy" or "Reproduction" in the title. Is an uneven strike between the bust and lettering a good enough indicator that a coin is fake? Varieties exist. Mexico Silver 8 Reales Portrait and Pillars Coins Cull . Showing your coins in public is much better than showing your mouth and words! Lurker since '02. Today, some of these contemporary counterfeits are more valuable than the common genuine issue.It was the overwhelming popularity of Spanish silver coins in the Far East, and specifically with China, that drove various nations, including the US, to restrike portrait 8 reales in the late 1800 and early 1900's. I just sent an offer of $65 for the coin which is based on it being sealed inside the original America's First Silver Dollar holder. 5oz ATB Everglades (not slabbed) Zelle for payment. For example, varieties listed in the World Coin Price Guide may not necessarily be recognized by NGC. This came from PCS's America's First Silver Dollar program. The nature of the cut host means the date, mintmark, denomination, and assayer are all clearly presented, details which are seldom seen in this . 22,34g. Numismatic specification data and valuation estimates provided by Active Interest Medias. eBay (promas) 8 Reales 1790-mo Fm Mexico Silver Coin of Charles Iv with Loop Xf/cleaned. Collectors Corner | 8 Reales - PCGS Population Report Very interesting! You have a counterfeit 8 reales. The real (English: /el/ Spanish: /real/) (meaning: "royal", plural: reales) was a unit of currency in Spain for several centuries after the mid-14th century. Since I originally commented on the diagonal grip marks - I can say with 100% certainty - what you have here is NOT the grip marking that I was referring to. Post Your Most Recent Canadian Coin Purchases! Mexico 1882 8 Reales JS Discussion in ' World Coins ' started by LouisEP, Jul 9, 2019 . Monedas de Mxico / Monedas Histricas: 8 Reales - Blogger greenwich private equity firms Any Quantity. ECONOMIA PARA SUA CASA E SEU COMERCIO tiffany hines married. 1882 Year Second Republic of Mexico Coins (1867-1905) - eBay Z. The legends read "Mex I Imperator Constiiut" together with the denomination and assayer's initials. I clearly misinterpreted swamperbob's description of the grip markings. All Forums Category: World Coins and Currency Forums Forum: World Coins and Commemoratives Counterfeit (Numismatic Forgery) 1882 Zs Js 8R Mexico Further, because these prices are only updated from time to time, they do not reflect short term pricing trends, which are quite common and are often quite dramatic, given the volatile nature of the collectible coin marketplace. Until the invention of the MacArthur-Forrest cyanide leaching process in 1887, significant trace elements, unique to the geology of the mine site, were present in all silver alloys. Un hombre ha resultado herido grave al caer desde un rbol mientras trabajaba en una tala en Isaba. PawnShopCity. or Best Offer. Is It Worth Buying? 1955-S Penny - Doubling On Ber In Liberty? Which frankly has made me a little worried about my coin so I would greatly appreciate it if all you fellow coin collectors could take a look at the coin and give me your opinions. J. Here some additional pictures of the date region and especially of the number 8 in the date. [1] There were 16 silver reales to 1 gold escudo, with 8 tlacos to the real. Rusty dies happened more than one might expect, since my coins come from the hot, humid, sea-air climate of the Philippine Islands. There were Debased copies made at branch mints which usually resulted in someone getting fired or hung. Are you aware that the coin is a counterfeit? 8 Reales (Pattern strike) - Mexico - Numista The Manila mint opened in 1920, and they didn't take real good care of the dies there. 1798-Mo FM Mexico 8R 8 Reales PCGS VF Detail Chopmarks Calico-961 Silver Coin. Weight and width approximate, +-10% expected. That scenario is simply less likely than a simple start to finish forgery. The modern forgeries are meant to deceive collectors.Dr. The technique of bonding thin silver plating to copper was developed in Sheffield in the mid 1700's and was thereafter adopted to the task of counterfeiting at Birmingham. The reverse had several different versions of the Mexican eagle, a golden eagle (Aquila chrysaetos). I own several Potosi 8 Reales with die rust as well. Further, because these prices are only updated from time to time, they do not reflect short term pricing trends, which are quite common and are often quite dramatic, given the volatile nature of the collectible coin marketplace. Counterfeit (Fake) (Numismatic Forgery) 1882 Zs Js 8R Mexico - Coin Community Forum This page may contain links that result in small commissions to keep this free site up and running. The real was a currency of Mexico, issued until 1897. NGC VF Det. Una vez consumada la Independencia de Mxico y al establecerse la Repblica, en agosto de 1823 se decret la acuacin de una nueva moneda. It would have raised some small red flags with me, from the color and just the look of the devices. 1874 CP is a die struck counterfeit. Commems Collection: What If? Total Silver content in the coin is 90.3% and the Silver value of this coin is USD 12.83 ,Silver value is claculated with a spot price of USD 14.88/ounce. Powered by Invision Community, "Update on GNL book on Counterfeits - The Good news", Location: Baja Upper Canada (Finger Lakes Region, NY). 1882 8 Reales 8R.Z.1882. J. S. 10D. 20 G. Repblica Mexicana Coin Comment: I have 1882 mexican eagle silver coin, if u have email or facebook account I am willing to show it to you. Pictures Of 8 Reales Counterfeit (Fake) Edge Details - Coin Community 8 reales coins, as far back as 1732, have employed edge designs; understanding how they were made and the equipment that was used is highly relevant. I haven't had any experience with this type of coin. Affiliate programs and affiliations include, but are not limited to, the eBay Partner Network. Comment: Many people say they have silver coins like the 1882 Mexican Eagle Silver Peso Coin that I am showing here, but they have never been able to show their said coins on the Internet and compared with my silver coin If you have one, just show yours here and compare with mine! Thanks Tom, I've been noticing a lot more suspect 8 reales showing up on Ebay lately, very likely as a result of the disbanding of the Enhanced Member Reporting Program. Centenario Coin Copy in Solid Yellow 14k Gold 50 Pesos 1947 Mexican Coin. Got the seven year itch! While earlier I agreed with Swamperbob that this might be an example of edge clipping (silver stealing), with a new edge pattern added after, in the light of new evidence there is now a problem with that conclusion. You need to be a member in order to leave a comment. Mexico; Second Republic (1867-1905) [Wtb] 1882 Mexico 8 reales, 5oz Everglades ATB : r/Pmsforsale - Reddit 8+ Ounces Silver From Norway, Collection Of Coin Fold/Holder For Sale (Prefer To Sell All To One Person), For Sale: 1911 George V Coronation 8 Coin Silver Proof Set, For Sale: 5 Sovereigns; 1907, 1908 And 1910, For Sale: UK 2020 2 Silver Proof Queen's Beasts White Horse Of Hanover 1 Oz Ag, For Sale: Die Varieties Of United States Large Cents 1840-1857, For Sale: Silver Eagles, 40% Silver Kennedy's And 50 Pence, For Sale: 2023 Tuvalu Proof Baby Rabbit Colorized Perth Mint 1/2 Oz Ag 50 Cents, Coin Community Selling Rules - Updated Feb 23 2023, Pictures Of 8 Reales Counterfeit Edge Details. Anyway, when I got home, I started to do some research on it to try to determine its value. Lettering: Compreender as mutaes do ecossistema miditico tem sido uma prtica na academia, especialmente no campo das cincias sociais aplicadas. I couldn't find any information on the mint on the coin. Repblica Mexicana-8 reales Z 1882 (Km#377.13) I explained the thesis of my book - that counterfeit silver versions of the Portrait 8R were manufactured in great numbers for the China Trade. 20 G. Repblica Mexicana Coin! Post Your Most Recent Canadian Coin Purchases! Vitor ramil deixando o pago mp3 free. Thanks for the feedback and he did me a favor by making an offer on it. If this subject really interests you, please visit the "Update on GNL book on Counterfeits - The Good news" thread and express your enthusiasm about getting this information published.I'll leave you with a few images of an 8 reales that displays the overlap of the edge design that one would expect to see on a genuine portrait 8 reales from Mexico City.~jack. Nachguss, Rs.Kr., ss Zu KM R26 Starting price: 45 EUR. I look forward to seeing those images since I can not seem to visualize what you are describing. 1955-S Penny - Doubling On Ber In Liberty? Language links are at the top of the page across from the title. It has more of a dull, white medal look to it. I just ordered Swamperbob's book on 8 Reales counterfeits through Amazon. Review the total 8 Reales (1824 - 1900) PCGS graded coin population, including varieties, and shop results from dealers and eBay. The best way to tell is see if it will stick to a magnet. Uncategorized. This is a controversial topic to some (see my note on source, below). It is also probably perfectly round, and too small in diameter. Presunta moneda de la Repblica Mexicana: 39 mm. Mexican 8 Reales - Etsy Since many of these coins. Looks more like some kind of damage to the edge/rim at that point. Craftmanship of the Eagle is poor, please examine the claws. I decided to weigh it. The reverse featured a liberty cap with rays behind. Home; Contact; About; Sell Jewelry . Comment: Gmald.ccorganicfarms@gmail.com. Probably not a counterfeit from that time, to deceive anyone, even if silver plated; and the 10D lettering denotes the amount of silver (8R = 8 Reales). Grade: PCGS NG. 1882 Mexican Eagle Silver Peso Coin, Obverse: REPUBLICA - OmniCoin Hi everyone! I guess I wasn't specific enough with my list of confirming characteristics. 1882-Zs JS Mexico 8 Reales Chopmarked Zacatecas Silver Coin $199.00. There were no Mexican 8 Rs made with assayer initials JJ until 1814. It has a raised rim with dentils attached to it like beading would be on later, close-collar strikes, as opposed to just dentils, seen on open collar coinage. No member from this site currently wants to exchange it. 8 Reales, Repblica Mexicana. Thanks all, for the responses on the first edge picture. 1948 Dollar - Can Anyone Grade My Purchase? at the best online prices at eBay! I would postulate that the coin was an original which was filed around the full perimeter to steal silver. 20 Gs equated to .902777 fine. Likewise, modern contaminants should never be present in the genuine alloy.If you have an interest in collecting 8 reales, please research the defining characteristics of the various issues. coins, Two Zacatecas $42.01. Weight: 39-40 grams approx. Back to collections Contact us; Shipping information; Return conditions; Trustpilot The edge is of the same coin as the pictures (1782). A coin of 10 Ds. 1982 Lincoln Memorial Cent Large Date Zinc - Serious Plating Blisters One Dollar 1795, In Bad Condition. I have collected these for about60 years and was an authenticator for over 20 years for professional coin dealers and my last position before retiring was as an authenticator for eBay. By the way,welcome to the treasurenet forum.This is a great place to discuss just about anything relating to metal detecting,treasure hunting or anything collectible,from coins to antique furniture and everything in between.Shoot,there's even a religion and politics section.Anyway welcome,there's a lot of good folks on here and a few jokers,but for the most part everyone's harmless and jovial.Looking forward to your posts. Digo que "presunta" porque la leyenda, lo que da es la composicin supuesta de plata, porque no creo que pusieran la aleacin de niquel. For all of these reasons, the prices in these guides are designed to serve merely as one of many measures and factors that coin buyers and sellers can use in determining coin values. Also, the contrast of the strikes for the bust and the lettering offer a little bit of insight. We all know silver isn't magnetized. mine stuck to the magnet. The coin reads "Del Gratia 1805 Carolous IIII," (Charles IIII by the Grace of God, 1805). Since then, I've researched on ebay and found listings for fake reals. Weight: 11.18 gms. However, in my collectable area raised bumps can be due to rusty dies if they were minted at the US Mint in Manila. Buy: $274.95. LouisEP Member A coin I am bidding on in an auction website. Mexico Silver 8 Reales Cap & Rays Avg Circ (ASW .7859 oz) $74.99. Something just doesn't look right. Copyright 2005 - 2023 Coin Community Family- all rights reserved worldwide. Question About Philly/Denver Coin Distribution, 1951 S Penny - Asking For Help With Irregularities. Home. Diy standees. The first reales issued in Mexico were Spanish colonial reales. Silver coins of this type commanded a significant premium to other bullion issues, fineness not withstanding. Vancouver (360) 852-0643 East Portland (503) 254-3858 Beaverton (503) 352-9721. Advanced forms of die copying became available after 1830 with the result that the best of these restrikes have near perfect details, making authentication extremely difficult. In some cases, NGC has made adjustments or edits to the prices, descriptions and specifications. En mano se lee perfectamente en . The side of the coin that is often ignored, however, can be the key to spotting the fakes. To play it safe, as I mostly have, you can stick to certified coins but remember, a certified coin is not a guarantee of authenticity but only a guarantee of your investment (as far as the TPG's policy defines it).My source for this information comes almost exclusively from the posts of Robert Gurney (aka swamperbob) at coincommunity.com. ~jack, Here's the original picture broken down into bite size pieces for chat board consumption. Theory th2125. I suggest he should start as a primary student if he wants to get familar with historic silver dollars! Comment: I have a coin just like this one. Looks "reale" to me!!!! or no overlaps at all? Well Krauss catalog said it was silver. Free shipping for many products! The initials used in 1805 should've been TH. Counterfeits, meaning those struck in the same time frame as the genuine issue, used less silver so that the counterfeiter gained by the difference in precious metal. Comment: I actually have two of these who wants to buy them ? Que clase de planta es el nogal. Get the best deals on 1882 Year Second Republic of Mexico Coins 1867-1905. In that case the dies would be real, it would be mint made and issued so the coin would be considered REAL but debased. They are basically just a telemarketer. I'm no expert but it looks real.That particular coin was not rare, so I wouldn't think it would be counterfeited for that reason,the value is about right I would think.They did make "replicas" though.If you have a loupe or a magnifying glass,take a look on the reverse between the eagles wing and Mexicana,if it is a "replica" coin,you may see remnants of the word "copy" or filing or buff marks from it being removed.Also, it should weigh very close to 27.468 grams I believe.I hope it's a real reale,if not at least you didn't lose that much for a lesson learned.Good luck.Here's a photo of a real one with counterstamps. I would yield to your expertise, Ocho. Mexico, CINCO PESOS 139 views Mexico 1951 Made of iron, silver plated. As such, NGC disclaims all warranties, express or implied, with respect to the information contained in the NGC Guides. pm me in my email iyason2016@yahoo.com .,., name your price, Comment: I have 20 pices of this coin and already put here yeyong i think you price its over fence and mi coins its perfect condition. who want to buy? PSA | Las equivalencias eran de 1 . I got one too at very nice condition. SPONSORED. There were also issues made in the names of the Supreme National Congress of America, the National Congress and the American Congress which, although considered Insurgent issues, bore the titles of Ferdinand VII. Pay close attention to the lettering as opposed to the bust details, particularly paying attention to the hair of the bust. I'm not impressed with his eBay Store. Spanish colonial Silver coins were issued in denominations of .mw-parser-output .frac{white-space:nowrap}.mw-parser-output .frac .num,.mw-parser-output .frac .den{font-size:80%;line-height:0;vertical-align:super}.mw-parser-output .frac .den{vertical-align:sub}.mw-parser-output .sr-only{border:0;clip:rect(0,0,0,0);height:1px;margin:-1px;overflow:hidden;padding:0;position:absolute;width:1px}14, 12, 1, 2, 4 and 8 reales,[2] with gold coins for 12, 1, 2, 4 and 8 escudos. MA-Shops. ~jack. During the Mexican War of Independence (1810-1821), numerous mints operated, providing coins for both the supporters and opponents of the Spanish crown. The initial issue was a tactic in the war with Spain to discredit Spanish bullion. 8+ Ounces Silver From Norway, Collection Of Coin Fold/Holder For Sale (Prefer To Sell All To One Person), For Sale: 1911 George V Coronation 8 Coin Silver Proof Set, For Sale: 5 Sovereigns; 1907, 1908 And 1910, For Sale: UK 2020 2 Silver Proof Queen's Beasts White Horse Of Hanover 1 Oz Ag, For Sale: Die Varieties Of United States Large Cents 1840-1857, For Sale: Silver Eagles, 40% Silver Kennedy's And 50 Pence, For Sale: 2023 Tuvalu Proof Baby Rabbit Colorized Perth Mint 1/2 Oz Ag 50 Cents, Coin Community Selling Rules - Updated Feb 23 2023. We need somebody better versed in the series and/or someone who can see it in hand. 2017 Numismatic Guaranty Corporation And I'm willing to sell it. PCGS | As for the overlaps, did you find a single overlap? 1970 S Lincoln Memorial Cent RPM Possibly, Please Help. I collect and document counterfeit Mexican 8 reales and in 2014 I published the definitive edition on the type - "Counterfeit Portrait Eight Reales" (see Amazon). These prices are not intended, and should not be relied upon, to replace the due diligence and when appropriate expert consultation that coin buyers and sellers should undertake when entering into a coin transaction. There were copper 18 and 14 real, silver 12, 1, 2 and 8 reales, and gold 4 and 8 escudos. (adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); 1882 Mexican Eagle Silver Peso Coin, Obverse: REPUBLICA MEXICANA (Republic of Mexico), the Mexican coat of arms featuring a golden eagle eating a snake on top of a prickly pear cactus surrounded with oak tree branches and leaves beneath; Reverse: LIBERTAD (freedom) inscribed on Liberty Cap, 8R. The brief reign of Maximillian (186467) interrupted the production of republic type coins and many of the denominations ceased production either in 1863 or by 1870, as the decimal currency based on the peso was introduced. jgenn- I agree with jfransch in that I am not quite certain that that is fake. Informacin detallada sobre el objeto coleccionable 8 Reales, Mxico, con imgenes y gestin de coleccin e intercambios: tirada, descripcin, metal, peso, tamao, valor y otros datos numismticos By using the NGC Guides, the user agrees that neither NGC nor any of its affiliates, shareholders, officers, employees or agents shall have any liability for any loss or damage of any kind, including without limitation any loss arising from reliance on the information contained in the Guides. El dispositivo-McLuhan recuperaciones y derivaciones - Academia.edu It was a 1882, 8 reals Mexican coin, silver in color. Your search for 'fake' matched 231 lots from auctions added in the last six months. 1867-1897 Mexico Silver 8 Reales Cap-Ray NGC MS62 - ScrapMonster To search our full database of over 7 million records, . Mexico FIRST REPUBLIC 8 Reales KM 377.10 Prices & Values | NGC Fast & free shipping on orders +$199. Sign in or register to get started. [1] There were 16 silver reales to 1 gold escudo, with 8 tlacos to the real. Free shipping for many products! carolus iiii dei gratia 1797 coin value. KM-19; Prid-12. Distribuidora lhag puebla airport. If so they will be less and less likely to encapsulate suspect coins in the future.". *8R.Ho 1882.J.A.10Ds.20Gs. Individual pear tatin gordon ramsay? $5.65 shipping. Numista type number (https://en.numista.com/help/what-is-the-n-number-visible-in-the-catalogue-33.html). One technique that can be employed is X-ray fluorescence (XRF), a non-destructive surface analysis that can determine the makeup of alloys. This silver Spanish dollar (also known as an eight real coin or piece of eight) was minted around 1805. Thank You very much! 1882 MEXICO 2 CENTAVOS OLD NICKEL COIN XF+ HIGH GRADE KM 395 - eBay carolus iiii dei gratia 1797 coin value NGC makes the World Coin Price Guide available to its website visitors as a free service, but in no way does the information provided represent NGCs official opinion or policy. You must log in or register to reply here. 1882-As ML 8 R As22 Hard to tell "depth perception" from a photo, does the damage extend into the edge and denticles on the reverse side as well or is it limited to the "corner" (for lack of better description) of the obverse and edge design. Thanks for posting your communication with Bob, Nutmeg. Ccea capitulo 170 parte 2 alfredo.

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